Conscious Realism: Move Over, Selfish Gene

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Season 2 Episode 4: "Conscious Realism: Move Over, Selfish Gene"

In this episode, Jennifer K. Hill, Dr. Deepak Chopra and Don Hoffman explore the idea of whether genes are competitive or cooperative. They begin by defining what genes are and what they are not, while examining the ideas of kin selection and altruism.

Dr. Chopra suggests a whole-systems approach to exploring genetics, and explains that all genes have to synchronize and cooperate to work. He also shares that from the perspective of Eastern wisdom, “Genes are the carriers of ancestral memory. . . it is not the biosphere that gives rise to life, it is life that gives rise to the biosphere.”

Hoffman expounds on this idea by advocating that evolution by natural selection is not at odds with the spiritual traditions.

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"Conversations at the Intersection of Cutting Edge Science & Spirituality" with Dr. Deepak Chopra, Professor Don Hoffman, and Awake TV host Jennifer Hill.

In this series, Jennifer K. Hill, Awake TV host of "Conversations for Consciousness" and co-founder of MetaBizics, interviews Deepak Chopra and Donald Hoffman about their respective new books: Metahuman and A Case Against Reality. During this discussion, Chopra and Hoffman delve into and reveal their perspectives on what consciousness is, and how it impacts our ability to see the truth of our realities. Chopra and Hoffman explore the intersection of science and spirituality, and what that means for the future of human beings and artificial intelligence.

About Deepak Chopra:
DEEPAK CHOPRA™ MD, FACP, founder of The Chopra Foundation, a non-profit entity for research on well-being and humanitarianism, and Chopra Global, a modern-day health company at the intersection of science and spirituality, is a world-renowned pioneer in integrative medicine and personal transformation. Chopra is a Clinical Professor of Family Medicine and Public Health at the University of California, San Diego and serves as a senior scientist with Gallup Organization. He is the author of over 89 books translated into over forty-three languages, including numerous New York Times bestsellers. His 90th book and national bestseller, Metahuman: Unleashing Your Infinite Potential (Harmony Books), unlocks the secrets to moving beyond our present limitations to access a field of infinite possibilities. TIME magazine has described Dr. Chopra as “one of the top 100 heroes and icons of the century.”

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About Don Hoffman:
Donald Hoffman received a PhD from MIT, and is a Professor of Cognitive Sciences at the University of California, Irvine. He is an author of over 120 scientific papers and three books, including The Case Against Reality: Why Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes. He received a Distinguished Scientific Award of the American Psychological Association for early career research, the Rustum Roy Award of the Chopra Foundation, and the Troland Research Award of the US National Academy of Sciences. His writing has appeared in Scientific American, New Scientist, LA Review of Books, and Edge, and his work has been featured in Wired, Quanta, The Atlantic, Ars Technica, National Public Radio, Discover Magazine, and Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman. He has a TED Talk titled “Do we see reality as it is?”

About Jennifer K. Hill:
Jennifer K. Hill has appeared on many major news outlets around the world including: KNX Radio, BBC News, ABC, NBC, FOX and E! News, and has been quoted in numerous online articles as well including The Ladders and Glassdoor. In addition, Jennifer has been featured speaker for various conferences, law firms and corporations around the United States.

In 2020, Jennifer co-created the Coalition for Global Unity which hosts weekly, free meditations with leaders, teachers and influencers from around the world every Monday at 12pm PT on Awake TV Network (

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